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ShAyMaN S3
March 30th, 2004, 10:01 PM
This was soppose to be added to the Other post :(

Audi replyed to my many emails today and stated they did not know when this was / if even going to be released in Australia, due to a change in struture in Germany regarding the S models :(

The R32 looking real good. What other High Performance small cars are out there apart from WRX's ??? or Jap imports

IML337
March 30th, 2004, 10:22 PM
Cooper S (with Works) or Alfa 147 GTA are the only things that come to mind if you don't want Japanese

5VTurbo
March 30th, 2004, 10:26 PM
Evo Evo Evo
Clio Clio Clio
RX8 RX8 RX8
Cooper S

angelshox
March 30th, 2004, 11:09 PM
i agree with 5v, the clio is an interesting option...i was speaking with renault at the motor show and at dealership at lutwyche.....there is rumours that we may.....(emphasise may) be getting the renault sport v6 clio's.....nice :D

Kris
March 30th, 2004, 11:50 PM
If you want a car faster than the S3 chipped which I persume yours is, a R32 , Clio, Cooper S works are not going to come even CLOSE.

Without going Japanese, I know no cars that are faster than a chipped S3 under $100,000

BENA3T
March 31st, 2004, 12:40 AM
al was speaking about bolt on supercharger kits and twin turbo kit for the r32, after the 70 or so g for the r32 and either kit ud still come in under 100 and would smoke the chipped s3 :big_wink: however the s3 is still only 65 or something right so depends on what ya want to spend money on i guess...

Haysey
March 31st, 2004, 12:41 AM
FORD XR6 TURBO!!!!
That aint jap... and with small mods it will thrash anything...
What about a GT-P.... 300kw for 70 something.... YUMMYYYYY!!!!
MR AUDI

Kris
March 31st, 2004, 12:52 AM
If you get a R32 and a then put that HPA Twin turbo kit on it for under $100G then thats super

I very much doubt it could be done for that price, considering the kit alone is $16,000 USD. Add the shipping and 15% tax, it would be well over $100g

Same with the 450hp S3 kits, $30K!!


You could spend a few $ on your S3, coilovers, big brakes, apr downpipe, chip if you havent already, samco intake, bmc box and have over 300hp


You could buy a R32 and do a similar thing, amd upgrade , intake and all that jazz and have over 300hp too

But if you already have the S3, why bother? Youll just lose a tonne of $

BENA3T
March 31st, 2004, 01:43 AM
ah well maybe just the bolt on kit, but yer if ya got the s3 why throw away the extra cash
i drove an evo6 the other day....cant see why ud have a problem with one of those for 60 g or less

5VTurbo
March 31st, 2004, 02:25 AM
If the choice was up to me, I would choose the R32, 18 OZ wheels(6k with tyres), konig seats (7K), xenons, sports suspension, ask them to through in an ipod. Awsome value and that magic 3.2 NA.

Al Walker
March 31st, 2004, 02:37 AM
I can highly reccomend the R32. Since I've got mine I couldn't be happier with the performance, quality and features of this car. If your in Brisbane let me know and we can get together so you can have a drive of one before you make your decision.

Cheers Al

Chuck
March 31st, 2004, 09:41 AM
I had a look at the Alfa 147 GTA before I bought the S3.

The torque of the 147 is fantastic but I went with the S3 because of the quattro.

The 147 is worth a test drive.

Lima
March 31st, 2004, 10:01 AM
If you want a car faster than the S3 chipped which I persume yours is, a R32 , Clio, Cooper S works are not going to come even CLOSE.

In a straight line maybe ... but at the corners things would get very interesting. :wink:

OzeTT
March 31st, 2004, 01:48 PM
Without going Japanese, I know no cars that are faster than a chipped S3 under $100,000

Lotus Elise 111R.
0-100km/h 4.9 (Car)
Yours for $94990

OzeTT
March 31st, 2004, 01:51 PM
http://www.jabbasworld.net/viewtopic.php?t=8467

or a PRB for $50,000

Kris
March 31st, 2004, 05:35 PM
There you go! Lotus, better handling and faster than our cars :)

Lima
March 31st, 2004, 10:43 PM
From a recent evo mag, as reported by mdt on the 'Tex.

"I know there are still a few Mini sceptics amongst you, those who doubt a car that looks as innocent and non-aggressive can possibly possess truly formidable cross country pace. Well, all I can say is I'd still back our Cooper S Works against all but the most extreme Spec C style Impreza in a back road tussle. A recent visit to some car-nut friends proved this beyond all doubt when we swapped cars for a quick blast: pals in the S works, me in their tuned Audi RS4. Let's just say every time the big Audi paused to fill its lungs the Mini stole a few lengths, then a few more through every twist and turn. Suffice to say, though somewhat ashamed at my apparent lack of pace, I was proud of the little white car. So it would appear, were they: their own Cooper S works has just arrived..."

:wink:


I wonder also how quick an AmD tuned Astra Turbo would be? They pump out around 180-190kW apparently... pretty good bang for buck you have to say, dunno what the AmD bits cost, but a 37K starting price is hard to beat. Wouldn't eclipse a chipped S3 down the quarter, but wouldn't be too far behind.

XXX-1.8T
April 1st, 2004, 12:04 AM
That white car wasnt me was it :big_wink: :mrgreen:

Seriously my mate just bought an Astra Turbo and ive spoken to Simon for him and AMD are claiming 200kw :shock: but with our fuel it will prolly go down to 190kw........

Apparently it has a modified K04 turbo and no DV :shock: just like the old 5 cylinder turbo Audis, Simon said their engines are 'interesting'

:D

IML337
April 1st, 2004, 01:08 AM
also depends if you want "fast" or "fun"

Because the Cooper S might be comparatively slow, but on the grin factor scale, it's way up near the top :D

Test driving all the cars listed will help you immensely with your decision.

Lima
April 1st, 2004, 09:26 AM
Apparently it has a modified K04 turbo and no DV :shock: just like the old 5 cylinder turbo Audis, Simon said their engines are 'interesting'

:D

That's funny, when I test drove one not long after they were released I "thought" I saw a DV like part right at the front of the engine ... perfectly placed for a 5min upgrade! Oh well, musta been seeing things.

:beat:

ea2001
April 1st, 2004, 09:57 AM
Could have been a PCV valve or EGR valve you saw. I have never seen under the bonnet of one, just a guess. Maybe they do have one.
Derek

Staring07
April 1st, 2004, 11:20 AM
http://www.jabbasworld.net/viewtopic.php?t=8467

or a PRB for $50,000

Wonder if Oz will ever get the VX220? I'd imagine that would tune up nicely being turbo as well.

Lima
April 1st, 2004, 05:20 PM
Wonder if Oz will ever get the VX220? I'd imagine that would tune up nicely being turbo as well.

They hammer! :shock: :P :D

scottya31.8t
April 5th, 2004, 07:05 PM
go for the alfa that things is a beast go take one of the new one for a drive they have got a lot better in the last couple of years and the 147 gta is the way to go. and their is rumours out their about an adw one coming out you can't go wrong if you loved your s3 you will love the 147 IMO.
alfa have now gotten alot better with offereing 3 year free service and things like that i don't know who are good dealers in syd but hear in melbourne you would find some real guys who love their alfas and can piont you were to go after you have boought it for your performance things. prices are around the same as audi in parts and things like that.
use to work in parts for them so stop me if i talk too much
:D

jamesa
April 5th, 2004, 11:54 PM
i've been fantasizing about one of those V6 mid engined cleos, but it would be a real biatch to get them out here...

... plus I'm sure the mini-drought we've been having here would break the moment the thing arrived ;)

-- james

TPIACE
October 7th, 2004, 11:23 AM
Interesting thoughts about the hatch performance

My mate has a Cooper S, my bro too is buying one, so we drove it at the Mini driveday at Sandown recently, and the Works didnt feel that much quicker than the stock version. Also the Cooper's seemed to have alot of torque steer and understeered quite abit even on turn in! more so than the front heavier 147GTA.

The latest Motor mag has that BFYB thing, and even the Pug 206GTi 180 is quicker than the Cooper Works around the tight track.....by just over a second. Interestingly, when TopGear proves the R32 is quicker around their track than the 147GTA but considerably slower in a straight line, Motor record the opposite and run both cars on equal lap times (surely a 4wd with equal weight should carry more corner speed) with the 147GTA quicker over ther 1/4 .....perhaps they just cant drive bumb draggers and r used to slow shifting push rod US drivetrains :roll:

As for the Alfa 4wd rumours, well its true. They have just released their new 4wd setup on an Allroad version of the 156 wagon. And with the new HFV6 providing a basis for further Italian fine tuing, the next GTA's with a 450hp 900Nm 4wd TT setup will def be the way to go....well thats what im waiting for :mrgreen:

jamesa
October 7th, 2004, 12:34 PM
never mind :)

-- james

Lancia
October 7th, 2004, 01:03 PM
Tried everything else and considered it. Loved the S3 for these reasons
Passes by as Grandmas A3 if you dont know what your looking for.
Every hoon on the street doesnt want to race you because they dont know what it is.
I can sit back and drive it like a saloon and enjoy the comfort.
It is ahead of everything else in fit out and quality.
Chipped it is great.
Needs more in the suspension department but is good for starters.
No heavy V6 in the front although I havent been in Als R32. The GTA you certainly noticed it. Traded my Alfa on the S3. Disappointed with reliability.
Still fit the kids in the back and plenty of luggage.
Great car till I Can afford a new S4.
My favourite car ever being a Lancia Delta Integrale the S3 just fits in perfectly.

Black_Mamba
October 7th, 2004, 01:15 PM
I think importing a V6 Clio might work out cheaper than an Elise.

So you get 255Kw?! and 14 seconds 1/4 mile wiht 0-100 in 5.8 seconds stock. You might be also be able to mod it.

Renault had the GT-Turbo Super Cinq in the mid 80's which is a turbo charged 1.3 or 1.2 Renault 5. They used to pull quite hard.

Peugeot had the 205 Turbo 16V which was a lot quicker than the 205 GTi at the time. Not sure they don't have a 206 equivalent. They seem to have a 180Kw 206 version in France.

An 4WD GTA 147 is likely to cost a bit though but I don't know how much faster it will over the current GTA.

TPIACE
October 7th, 2004, 01:26 PM
There wont be a 4wd 147GTA. The 4wd drivetrain will appear on the next range of cars....so 157 and 148 if thats how they continue the naming convention

As for performance, im not sure what the 147GTA replacement will have, there has been no mention of it yet. But the next 157GTA, now in development and spotted at Nurburging has a 450hp Twin Turbo 3.2L V6 4wd drivetrain :D

By the time its released and then comes here, itll b a couple of years wait

Lancia what Alfa did u have? Im an Alfa man by heart, my first car (and the one i will keep forever) is my 156.....and ive spent a fortune on it so i know alot about the Alfa service bills :evil: But its worth it, ur buying a small part of motoring nostalgia in every Italian car imo

Now i want to buy a small hatch as a daily. I dont want my 156 to end up as the daily work mule. Plus with all my audio gear and such it attracts alot of attention and i cant park it just anywhere. Unfortunately Alfa dont have a similar product in the 50K mark, so i have to look elsewhere....S3 elsewhere. Is it a reliable car? Is that 4cylinder engine any good, any character in the engine note/power delivery?

Lancia
October 7th, 2004, 03:05 PM
TPIACE. I had a 99 156 Selespeed. I did enjoy it and it certainly grew on me. Once bitten by the Italian bug it is hard to shake. Cant say it was a bad car but did have repeated problems with the gearbox. OUT OF WARRANTY. Alfa was very helpful though.
If you are looking at the S3 then go for it. You wont be dissappointed. Just put the APR chip in and then a set of coil overs. The shocks once you get into higher speed stuff dont cut it but I am happy with the springs.
I have only chipped my S3. The only thing that I did to the Alfa was a front strut bar. It needed another 50kw or so to make it really good.
The difference that I can explain between the 2 cars is
S3 is much higher quality
S3 is about 2 times quicker
S3 about 1.5 times grip
S3 is very balanced
S3 can take to the track all day long and drive to work on Monday. Never trusted the 156 to drive it that hard.
If you want an Italian vehicle in the garage buy an Aprilia. :)

Hope my rambling helps. My first car wan an Escort. Then a Commodore and then I woke up to myself and had 2 Lancia Beta Coupes.

TPIACE
October 7th, 2004, 06:33 PM
when i was buying my selespeed i used to c heaps of 156s up on racks in the service department with the 'boxes out. Luckily ive gone 4 yrs with no selespeed dramas....touch wood. Im personal friends with the head of service at Lance Dixon in Melbourne so he does look after the car for me quite well. The best mod i did was the unichip. It only gave me an extra 11kw on paper but it transformed the power characteristics, with a way stronger midrange (the TS being normally quite peaky)

I probably wont be buying a car till xmas, as i just spent quite a bit of cash updating my 96 Range Rover HSE to an 02 Vogue

Im going to do some research and drive a few different cars. The new VW GTi with the FSI turbo is another option

Lancia
October 11th, 2004, 09:04 PM
I found the S3 is just what the Doctor ordered..........everyday. :D :D

TPIACE
October 12th, 2004, 02:59 PM
i got to drive a 30,000km old S3 on Friday. I didnt like it Lancia. The engine's just not that exciting, the power was impressive for a 4, but it sounded anemic and was trashy and reluctant to rev up high like an old pushrod Holden V8. The steering i also didnt like, it felt really removed from the car and i couldnt feel where the front wheels were, i kept over turning. Punting it quite hard around the Kew boulevard it didnt feel like a 4wd car, very very different feeling than in the R32, it felt like a fwd.

time to consider something else now. on the way home i visited my mate at my Alfa dealer, drove a 147GTA demo and thought wow! what an engine, the sound, the power. But 60k is too much to spend on a hatch, so im thinking of waiting till they succumb to the inevitable Alfa depreciation hit, and steal one at a far lower price :D

jamesa
October 12th, 2004, 06:40 PM
i got to drive a 30,000km old S3 on Friday. I didnt like it Lancia. The engine's just not that exciting, the power was impressive for a 4, but it sounded anemic and was trashy and reluctant to rev up high like an old pushrod Holden V8. The steering i also didnt like, it felt really removed from the car and i couldnt feel where the front wheels were, i kept over turning. Punting it quite hard around the Kew boulevard it didnt feel like a 4wd car, very very different feeling than in the R32, it felt like a fwd.

time to consider something else now. on the way home i visited my mate at my Alfa dealer, drove a 147GTA demo and thought wow! what an engine, the sound, the power. But 60k is too much to spend on a hatch, so im thinking of waiting till they succumb to the inevitable Alfa depreciation hit, and steal one at a far lower price :D

I think you find that how a car drives depends a lot on what you're used to, as well. Getting into the S3 after driving my old 1987 Alfa 75 (there are a few closet Alfa drivers on this board... good to see) it did feel very artificial, but then it takes just a little bit of time and it feels like a glove...

FWIW, the AWD system on the R32 and the S3 is the same...

and the only aussie review I can remember putting all three cars against eachother is here (http://drive.fairfax.com.au/cgi-bin/drive/wrapper.cgi?article=..%2Fdocs%2Fcontent-new%2Fnews%2Fgeneral%2F2004%2F04%2F30%2FFFXUZGL6NT D.html&make=&family=&desc=&IsDealer=&search_query=&result_query=&site_section=&cat=findarticles&subCat=&pType=searchresults&querytext=hot%20hatch).

-- james

Lancia
October 12th, 2004, 07:44 PM
TPIACE,

I appreciate your comments and find that you are quit correct. If you want a revy engine and exhaust note you will not go past the GTA or R32. Both those cars feal very racy indeed or I did find the GTA felt like it belonged on the race track the most. The S3 has no exhaust note. A burble bu nothing that makes you and everyone else drop there jaw and go wow. With the APR chip though the induction and turbo whine sound more like a Kenworth rig on steroids. I like the S3 because it feels like a 7 series BMW when I want to drive normally. IF your after a full on racy car then yea the S3 is probably not for you. I am still trying to get used to the S3 but on the edge where the Hadex really starts working Im not prepared to play with on a public road. Other than that it is essentially a Front wheel drive

TPIACE
October 12th, 2004, 08:20 PM
James after i pointed out how i felt the S3 4wd system to be different, i was told the R32 uses a mechanical 4wd system like a WRX, whereas the S3 is an electronic system and predominately fwd until theres a loss of grip????

Yeap Lancia i kinda already have the comfortable 4 seater in the 156, or more so with the Range Rover. I was after a small hot hatch, something chuckable like a reno clip sport, but better built and classier. The 147GTA is overtly racy, what with the front end push and torque steer when ur really on it, but on the road it can be driven quite comfortably

jamesa
October 12th, 2004, 08:40 PM
James after i pointed out how i felt the S3 4wd system to be different, i was told the R32 uses a mechanical 4wd system like a WRX, whereas the S3 is an electronic system and predominately fwd until theres a loss of grip????

let me guess - a dealer told you this?

you've been misinformed. both the r32 and s3 run on a haldex system that push all force through to the front wheels until certain requirements are met eg wheel slipping, etc. the haldex can be quite extensively programmed using esp and other sensors but I think in the case of all VAG cars it's mostly engine torque, wheel slipping and throttle position.

-- james

Lancia
October 12th, 2004, 10:18 PM
TPIACE Im am sure your going to have alot of fun figuring out which one to get. :D I reckon youll go for the GTA or R32. Youll probably find youll get the best of both worlds with the R32.

It is a Haldex system the same as the S3.

rotoso
October 22nd, 2004, 04:28 PM
Anyone else find the S3 cabin a little claustrophobic in black ? :?

I wanted an S3 bad, after buying the coupe and after the warranty ran out on the BM I went out looking for a good S3, I was severly disapointed in the power (not enough), and just the overall driving feel (muffled), maybe I was too used to what I had been driving....

I had a 01 325ci coupe, and a 01 Golf GLE, the interior of the golf seemed to be much much larger than the S3 - maybe it was all the black ??.

I sold the Golf and the BM, and got a 03 Gti for the time being, M3 may be next.
Another Alfa driver comes out - 1986 GTV6, with a 24v GTA engine being built at the moment..
Also had a '84 Lancia Beta Coupe with a 2L Delta Turbo engine. :mrgreen:

Carlos
October 22nd, 2004, 08:17 PM
Be warned that [certain examples] of the 147GTA that i know of (one beloning to a close friend, others through the grapevine), hane had a number of minor and some major problems.

For a car with 13000km's on the clock, the general expectation would be that you would have relatively trouble free motoring for a reasonable amount of time.

In this particular case, not on 'ya life :?

When the car was first delivered, there was a sizable chip out of the front bar, when respraying it, the clever chaps didn't bother to match the colour, so there is now a noticble difference between front bar and bonnet.

Faulty suspension components, resulting in an irritating squeaky noise.
Gearbox problems within 6000km's, which still has not been properly fixed

...and to top it off, most recently the differential went, the quote from a 'certain dealership' was 4.5-5k, at another 3k.

All this in less than 9 months of ownership, and others have had similar problems but i cannot vouch for their driving ability or care for their car.

I stress that these problems are mainly associated with the dealership at which the vehicle was purchased, as i've been told that unlike other alfa dealers, they do not check the vehicles before they sell them. i.e straight off the boat.

Sorry for the overly long post, but just be aware of the problems than many owners of these cars have faced, ie dont buy from THAT dealership :wink:



R32 :D [/list]

Lancia
October 22nd, 2004, 10:18 PM
Good to see the Lancia and BMs get a mention. :D
After hearing about the troubles with the GTA am not suprised one bit.
Hot hatch choice would end up being R32 if you want the six or S3 if you want the turbo.

The S3 is definetely a cross between a luxury car and a sports car. I like the small intereior myself although the black and light grey alcantra help. It reminds me a bit of my beta coupe. Just didnt have an integrale engine in it.