GIAC has just Released Software for RS6.

[Fastest Aussie Audi]

easy 520HP Crank HP
530-550 ft-lb Torque.

on normal premium Fuel, Not Optimax or Synergy 8000, this will produce more HP, dyno's will be released shortly.

NOTE, GIAC will only supply this Software together with new Transmission software as well to handle extra torque. The transmission software is not Optional but mandatory.

Speed Limiter has been shifted to 190MPH, but not removed.
The transmission will not handle over 190Mph.

[A4PLAY]

I don't think i could handle over 190mph!!! :shock:

[Chux]

If i had an RS6 there is no way i would run it on anything else other than 98 octane fuel, and if you can afford to buy an RS6 then you can afford to pay an extra dollar or 2 per tank.

[Sloth]

If i had an RS6 there is no way i would run it on anything else other than 98 octane fuel, and if you can afford to buy an RS6 then you can afford to pay an extra dollar or 2 per tank.

EXACTLY !
Actually, I doubt I would spend that sort of money on an RS6 to get that sort of performance and luxury combo then bastardise it with any chip which could void my warranty.

[Chux]

hmm i dunno.... if you are spending that sort of money with Audi i'd imagine you would get a little bit better service and the service centre would tend to be a little more leniant than to us peasants with our povo A3's :P

although when i took my car in for warranty work, aside from the fact that it took them way longer than it should have, i must say i was happy with the service and the work carried out by Buckles.

[ea2001]

Hi all,

Good point Dan.

APR's RS6 tuning is available with 525hp/490lb-ft (392kw-665nm) on 98oct. This software also includes a Valet mode, Stock mode, (3 eng programs) security lockout and anti-theft. All switchable via cruise control stalk.
Also comes with trans software.
All details at http://www.goapr.com/Audi/products/ecu_upgrade_rs6.html

Regards
Derek

[A4PLAY]

Derek, You should go into advertising. lol that sounded like a commercial. :lol:

PS, can we get a better laughing emotion, this guy looks like his foaming from the mouth!!! :lol:

[ea2001]

Hi

Probably more money in advertising and certainly a better lifestyle/parties etc...

Derek

[audigreenman]

Derek

Either advertising or IT

It seems as though your doing as much computer work as mechanical/technical work.

Gee - just changing the software to get 70 horses.!!!!!!

But heck - the only way I want to go at 190 miles per hours (283kmph) is with two wings and little bit of height.

Is 500 horses usable on the street?? or would you be spinning every where without traction control

David

[wasn]

it's interesting that i made inquiries to the performance of these chip for my RS6, and there seem to be secretcy over the issues as to performances and the only replies i get are from the dealers themselves.
.I'm no pessimistic, but a claim of that magnitude by simply remapping a chip without other mods, does questions the quoted power figures, anyway i've been promised a dyno print, if i buy the chip I will expect to replicate very simmilar power and torque curves, otherwise the sh*t will hit the fan.

[Aussie Audi Guy]

Wasn,

Welcome to the forum.

A couple of things

- please let us know where you are - you may get a better response, we all gather you are in "Australia" somewhere. APR have representatives in 4 states, shortly 5, so we may be able to point you directly to someone close rather than just an email address.

If you wish to challenge any manufacturer's claims, would it not be best (if no one has the product installed) to take it up with the "dealer" themselves?

My understanding with most dealers, is there is a money back guarantee if not satisfied, and if 6 tuners come out with power claims within 10% of each other on the RS6, are they all making false claims? not my experience. No reason for the Sh*t to hit the fan really :wink:

Not trying to throw cold water on it, but one of the bannings on the old forum came from a "user" with a hotmail address & multiple IP address's for posting, even though they already had another identity. If secrecy is a big issue, please email me privately & I will see our first RS6 owner gets the red carpet treatment.

Anyway, have you got the RS6 yet? If so, please tell us what it is like! I am sure everyone will be desperate to find out.

My own drive (in an RS6) in June lasted a few minutes on the backroads in Germany, in Rudi's (The boss at Oettingers) own RS6 avant. It was breathtaking (500+ hp claimed). :clap:

[Lams]

wow you know mr oettinger... did you take a photo with him? you got to drive his car! :shock: sorry for adding crap to this forum

guy's right, if you tell him your location he can tell his buddies to look out for you, and you get really good service :)

[OzeTT]

wasn,

I presume you may have tuned many other turbo cars previously but probably not any Audis.

As a non dealer, the figures being bandied around for power/torque increases with chipping/ECU tuning for the RS6 are proportionally in keeping with other lesser Audis. If anything they are conservative. Most "chips" eg APR, GIAC, Wett etc offer :

TT - 17% increase in power, 25% increase in torque
S4 (biturbo) - 20% P / 25% T
RS4 - 15% P / 29% T

These have all been easily verified by various owners on dynos around the world.

The RS6 figures are approx. 16% P, 16% T - entirely believable.

Hope that helps

[Turbomike61]

wasn...Check with Guy as to whether the APR free trial period is available for the RS6. If so, you can dyno check the claims without spending a cent on any chip! :D

[wasn]

Thank for the tip mike, will look into it when car is delivered.

[Fastest Aussie Audi]

If you read carefully, i stated a lower octane the fugures that have been released, with higher Octane fuel, more power will be made.

Soon Giac will release dyno graphs of higher octane figures.

But lets not forget where apr started and were they went to get started into chip programming.
If you have been around long enough to know that.

[milkandjuice]

What is the standard boost setting on a rs6 mapped for Australia, and what were the boost increases and from what rpm were they increased to achieve these hp figures.

As I am expecting my rs6 as well and am looking into a chip for it, and want to know whether the thing is going to ping cause our climate here can be extremely harsh.

Thanks for any help

Dru

[Lams]

coool we have quite a few brisbane members... one with an RS6 too! how bout a GTG in a few weeks? :)

[ea2001]

Dru

Standard boost is max 1.8 bar absolute. (approx .8 relative)
I will let you know what chipped boost is as soon as I can.
The ECU should control pinging by retarding the particular cyls it is detected on and result should be no pinging.

Derek

[milkandjuice]

sorry I'm not a internet buff, so what is GTG??
:oops:

[Chux]

GTG = Get Together

WTF = what Costa says when my A3 passes his :P

[A4PLAY]

WTF is what i said when i was told the cost for fixing my stacker!

[ea2001]

Hi Dru

Chipped boost pressure is max 1.15bar for the RS6 (17psi) (relative)

Derek

[Fastest Aussie Audi]

Pinging is not caused by boost alone.
many factors come into this, ignition timing, air fuel delivery, quality of fuel, type of spark plugs etc etc..

[milkandjuice]

Fast Aussie Audi, and so what your saying is then that boost is not the only factor in pinging, but also the way a chip is mapped, so if a chip is mapped for colder climates like in some european countries, don't you think then that were are more liable to have problems when we face our summers. And I didn't mention that the sole prob would be boost levels, but a contribution of several things. :roll:

Ea2001, thanks for that info mate, couldn't find much literature on it. Are you sure the ECU will retard the ignition enough to control pinging? I know on other cars such devices work, but on to a minor degree.

Dru

[ea2001]

Hi Dru

Not having done an RS6 myself all I can tell you is after talking to APR yesterday about the RS6's they have done in the States where climate conditions vary even more than here, they have had no instances of pre-ignition or detonation and if they did I am sure they would not release a product that did this as this problem can burn or punch holes in pistons in as little as a second.
APR offer a full money back guarantee and I am a fully liscenced and insured workshop which would cover any damage caused by the software.
I stand by the work that I do. About the only way other than taking the word of the software developer or other people who have had the modification is to try the product yourself and carry out your own testing.

Best regards
Derek

[Fastest Aussie Audi]

well thats correct, as Normally aspirated cars can ping too, they do not run boost.
The excuse the ECU will retard is poor and is only a poor excuse.
Generally on Me5 and Me7 motronics, when pinging is detected, ignition is retarded by 3 degrees, then on each engine revolution the ignition is advanced 0.3 degrees.

Now there are limits to the amount of retardation and advance that can be achieved.
I think from memory max variation is either 6 or 9 degrees.
This is only One parameter that is affected, Fueling etc is also altered.
So if a Chip is opt programmed for a certain condition to have max power,
taking you car to a totally different environment would certainly not give optimum performance.
I used to have a Wetterauer K-04 kit in my own car, that was a total disaster, that pinged its head off.
This is one big reason why you get the powerlevels in a stock car, the car is made to suit the biggest variation of conditions in the world market.
Once you chip, you are fine tuning your car, but you have automatically
reduced the conditions the car will operate perfectly in.
This goes for virtually mod on the car including suspension etc..

[ea2001]

Hi Lucas

The retard on the RS6 is 0-12deg crank when operating normally. ie that is within spec. It can as far as I know retard further but then there is a problem that needs to be addressed.
No body is using excuses for anything, the system was installed by Audi because it is needed even on stock cars. Of course there are limits to retard. Nobody suggested there was not. There is no point in retarding an ignition system past what will keep the engine running and running safely.

Derek

[Fastest Aussie Audi]

I thnk you missed the point on what i was saying.

I was not criticizing on what audi put in standard,
i was looking at what tuners do and their limitations in programming.

This is a big problem when a generically tuned chip done in some other country is simply installed here with no further tuning etc for local conditions.
and then stating the ecu will compensate for it.

[Chux]

thats what ecu explorer is for ... to make sure that everything is running as it should no matter where in the world you are.

[ea2001]

Hi Josh

Can you give me the details of the different areas in Australia that have been used for this testing.
As for the vendor standing by what they do I have already stated that I do, and plenty of testimonials all over the net for happy customers.
The suggestion for doing your own testing is for somebody who for whatever reason needs more proof than testomonials and my word.

Derek[/quote]

[A4PLAY]

Seems to me that each performance company must be doing their job and meeting customer expectations cause i haven't heard any bad reviews.

There is no use saying that one chip is superior than the other because i feel that part of what helps a customer make up the decision is the availablilty and support provided by a particular company. I know that the ECU can be sent away but customers would have their mind at easy if there was a workshop near them who could fix any concerns.

[Turbomike61]

Saying something is tuned for exact Australian conditions is total B.S. The fact is that this country is so large with massive variations in climate and atmospheric conditions. The fuel companies supply a number of variations of each fuel for various parts of the country, and these change at various times of the year. The fuel that Hobart uses in winter is vastly different to what Cairns uses in summer. Some of these variables are required by law (evapouration rates in summer), others are simply to compensate for variations in climate and altitude. Now lets say I fill my car with fuel in Cairns. I put it on a traim to Melb., then ferry it to Tassie. Did the tuners allow for this, a greater variable than say Italy and Sydney. I think you get the picture. The vast amount of tuning done by car manufacturers for cars in different parts of the world, comes down to suitability to FEUL QUALITY and EMISSIONS. Most of the fine tuning is done by the learning characteristics of the ECU. With the variables in Australia alone, to optimise the tuning would take hundreds of test, and them it still couldn't be fully controlled. Thats why drag racers use weather stations. I find it offensive that technical comments are made by people who think that lean mixtures cause pinging.

[ea2001]

Must agree there Mike.
Unless you drive in a climate controlled enviornment conditions will always be different.
I recently visited Death Valley in the USA @ 44deg 5% humidity and on the same day drove to San Francisco @ heavy fog and 7deg. How do you tune a chip for that yet have to do something different for Melbourne to the Snowy Mountains.
I agree tuning the chip for different conditions would be ideal. But how often do you want to have to do that. Every 10 mins? We all live in the real world.

Derek

[Sammyc]

When we had the S3 chipped, the programmer had 32 different programs for MY2000 S3's that Audi developed for various world markets. I suspect that performance companies take the most common program and develop them further. To deveplop 32 programs for just one model some how doesn't seem economicial.

[dog]

Since I travel around a bit I want a chip that will work all over Australia.
This "developed for Australian conditions" concept is a bit aged and I don't think that is relevant for modern cars that tune themselves during everyday driving. Maybe for a beetle?

[wasn]

The question i want to ask is that here we have a car that's supposedly AUDI mega beast and it doesn't comes with a temp. compensation correction device or does it? If it does then the chip can be tune anywhere.
but what i know is that i've personal seen 2 and 3 cars (stock) of the exact same makes hopping onto a dyno and produces completely power and torque output. What would be correct if i may is that the chip should be tune to each individual car taking into account fuel qualities and local conditions.
So a chip that is batch run CANNOT deliver optimum performance, This is the very reason why our aftermarket management tuners business are so healthy and some of the best tuners in the world lives here. i know of a handful of ppls who tunes WRC and F1 who lives right here in Brisbane, and Australia makes the best a/m management bar none!!!

[dog]

I don't understand why none of our local talent makes chips for Audis.

[Turbomike61]

Dog...What wasn says is 100% correct. The reason these tuners don't make chips for Audi is that they are busy producing the best programmable engine management in the world, or tuning them for motor racing. Systems such as Motec, Autronic etc are simply the best you can buy anywhere. That's their business and that's what they stick to.

Sammy...As far as multiple variations of tune for a particular model, find out how many slight variations there are for the model production range that need to be tuned in, and how many different ecu models are used. I think you may be surprised.

[dog]

I know, if I had a BMW I wold have it tuned by Peak Performance at Parramatta. But I have an Audi, so who cares what talent is around if they don't do anything for my car.

[Sammyc]

Point taken Mike, But i'm not about to quit my job to find out how many there are. But if someone wants to pay me that's a different story. :lol:
Anyway, I agree with you about local mobs, if you want to fine tune your car, get a Motec, Autronic etc...

[b5turbo]

Another point - I strongly "suspect" that like the A4 1.8TQ, RS4 and S4 - that the RS6 will suffer from pretty savage heat soak with stock intercoolers on warm / hot days. At which point, the amount of boost you are running becomes pretty much irrelivent as the ECU retards the timing to prevent pinging and pre-detonation robbing you of power.

Chipping is only part of the process in the 'more power stakes' - Cooling is just as (read probably more) important than upping the boost.


I agree totally. When you up the boost, you also need to think about how much hotter the air will become. I don't know that much about the RS6 so I can't give any useful information, but feel free to ask me about the effects of heat soak on a 1.8T! :shock: