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Another C5 RS6 on the block.

IchBautAuto

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In another section I mentioned that I had purchased a 2003 RS6. Like most owners, it'll take some time to come to grips with exactly what you have and what if any issues are there from the beginning. I did put a few hundred Km up before giving it over to the transport company to move it to the East Coast. No real issues were evident in the drive, it needs a wheel balance, with a slight wobble at 100 KPH. Otherwise no faults came up on VCDS and none were evident. The car is fitted with RNS-E Mk1, which is apparently not standard, and I need to get that sorted to do anything other than the basics. The RNS-E manual is in the hundreds of pages.

Shipping cars. I prefer to drive them but circumstances dictated a car transporter this time. What seems like a relatively cheap idea quickly turns out to be not so much when the fine print is on the table. The big sticking point, ground clearance. Every company assumes 150mm min clearance and as that decreases, the cost skyrockets. Seems like for every 10mm less clearance, you add $200. So in the end, with a clearance of 104mm, the cost comes in at just shy of $2000. Maybe there is someone cheaper but I didn't find them. So, their website says for that cost, you get a fully enclosed transporter, implying door to door.

Reality, it goes by train in a container to Melbourne and then by enclosed truck to the closest depot and then tilt-tray to the house. I'm sure that this company will deliver an unmarked car, they have a solid reputation, but those details are glossed over in the order process and a lot is left to assumption fueled by implied statements on the website. Yet to be delivered so thumbs up or down will come out in due course.

I've been doing a bit of reading, as you would, to get up to speed. With squeaky wheels getting the noise, the tales of woe are out there but some seem to have a good run. Anyway, I did come across what I think is the ultimate from my perspective. A local (QLD) owner purchased a 2003 RS6 in 2012 and sold it in mid 2014. He put up a blog for his ownership and in two and a half years of ownership he spent $64,000 on maintenance and repairs. Disclaimer: A few thousand of that were spent on an exhaust and a tune. This amount did not include any purchase price or loss on sale. This could be an enormous windup, but in reality he has detailed every issue, part numbers used and so on. First problem almost everything was done by AUDI so the man hour costs were enormous. Mostly genuine parts so a second contributor. Thirdly, he bought an OBD reader and used it often so sometimes came up with faults that may well have been rectified earlier than AUDI intended after all, the normal car only sees a computer analysis every 12 months by the service schedule. Looks like the last 6 months of his ownership were uneventful and his closing statement was along the lines of he only considered selling it once it became reliable.

Talk about getting you jollies by a whipping with barbed wire, but I have to acknowledge his commitment to resolving the issues that came up.
 
Tony,

Twin Turbo V8, nice way to go.:clap:

It's no RS4, but it does have it's own character. Perhaps I'm somewhat fortunate in taking this on as a current RS4 driver so the power isn't a gee whiz moment, albeit it is quite spectacular. No doubt it's a chariot with all the trimmings.
 
It's no RS4, but it does have it's own character. Perhaps I'm somewhat fortunate in taking this on as a current RS4 driver so the power isn't a gee whiz moment, albeit it is quite spectacular. No doubt it's a chariot with all the trimmings.

Get a 034 motorsport tune. It wakes them up nicely.
 
Get a 034 motorsport tune. It wakes them up nicely.

Tossing up between an off the shelf tune and a custom by Mocke in Sweden. Benefits on both sides but need to see what is currently there first. Like every purchase, things that happened under the previous two owners are sometimes a little vague as time passes.
 
I went with 034 due to be able to swap between tunes. Also can go back to standard as well. Came with stage 1 and 2. Also have a 100 octane tune. The tune box will read and clear fault codes as well.
 
I went with 034 due to be able to swap between tunes. Also can go back to standard as well. Came with stage 1 and 2. Also have a 100 octane tune. The tune box will read and clear fault codes as well.

Pretty versatile, I have the same concept with REVO for my RS4. I'm a few years behind you in getting the options laid out and benefits sorted. Next time we meet up I'll be there with a pile of questions. In theory, just two days until delivery.
 
In another section I mentioned that I had purchased a 2003 RS6. Like most owners, it'll take some time to come to grips with exactly what you have and what if any issues are there from the beginning. I did put a few hundred Km up before giving it over to the transport company to move it to the East Coast. No real issues were evident in the drive, it needs a wheel balance, with a slight wobble at 100 KPH. Otherwise no faults came up on VCDS and none were evident. The car is fitted with RNS-E Mk1, which is apparently not standard, and I need to get that sorted to do anything other than the basics. The RNS-E manual is in the hundreds of pages.

Shipping cars. I prefer to drive them but circumstances dictated a car transporter this time. What seems like a relatively cheap idea quickly turns out to be not so much when the fine print is on the table. The big sticking point, ground clearance. Every company assumes 150mm min clearance and as that decreases, the cost skyrockets. Seems like for every 10mm less clearance, you add $200. So in the end, with a clearance of 104mm, the cost comes in at just shy of $2000. Maybe there is someone cheaper but I didn't find them. So, their website says for that cost, you get a fully enclosed transporter, implying door to door.

Reality, it goes by train in a container to Melbourne and then by enclosed truck to the closest depot and then tilt-tray to the house. I'm sure that this company will deliver an unmarked car, they have a solid reputation, but those details are glossed over in the order process and a lot is left to assumption fueled by implied statements on the website. Yet to be delivered so thumbs up or down will come out in due course.

I've been doing a bit of reading, as you would, to get up to speed. With squeaky wheels getting the noise, the tales of woe are out there but some seem to have a good run. Anyway, I did come across what I think is the ultimate from my perspective. A local (QLD) owner purchased a 2003 RS6 in 2012 and sold it in mid 2014. He put up a blog for his ownership and in two and a half years of ownership he spent $64,000 on maintenance and repairs. Disclaimer: A few thousand of that were spent on an exhaust and a tune. This amount did not include any purchase price or loss on sale. This could be an enormous windup, but in reality he has detailed every issue, part numbers used and so on. First problem almost everything was done by AUDI so the man hour costs were enormous. Mostly genuine parts so a second contributor. Thirdly, he bought an OBD reader and used it often so sometimes came up with faults that may well have been rectified earlier than AUDI intended after all, the normal car only sees a computer analysis every 12 months by the service schedule. Looks like the last 6 months of his ownership were uneventful and his closing statement was along the lines of he only considered selling it once it became reliable.

Talk about getting you jollies by a whipping with barbed wire, but I have to acknowledge his commitment to resolving the issues that came up.


Re transport. MELB TO PERTH AND SAID CLEARANCE WAS TO BE 120MM. So had the Has springs set above that to get the front splitters at 120. Picked car up on Friday. One splitter is definately split literally but the worst thing is the car had zero creaks squeaks rat th les now it squeaks and creaks and rattles and have a 8mm bow on the rear door cards. Not exactly happy and picked up most of these issues after picking up the car and signing off. Cost was nearly half your quoted price wont mention the transporter yet as going through a process but was initially told 30 mins after picking up the car and noticing the above issues ( splitter was picked up at the depot before driving the car) after driving home from the depot, you signed off so bad luck.
 
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Re transport. MELB TO PERTH AND SAID CLEARANCE WAS TO BE 120MM. So had the Has springs set above that to get the front splitters at 120. Picked car up on Friday. One splitter is definately split literally but the worst thing is the car had zero creaks squeaks rat th les now it squeaks and creaks and rattles and have a 8mm bow on the rear door cards. Not exactly happy and picked up most of these issues after picking up the car and signing off. Cost was nearly half your quoted price wont mention the transporter yet as going through a process but was initially told 30 mins after picking up the car and noticing the above issues ( splitter was picked up at the depot before driving the car) after driving home from the depot, you signed off so bad luck.

Yep, already having issues. The car carriers tracking system has failed to proceed so no one knows for sure where the car is. Hoping to get this sorted today as it's due tomorrow. Even the best reputed companies do not necessarily provide a trouble free "experience".
 
Finally. Arrived in the dark last night. Must say the driver was a real champ, everything the company should be. Unable to meaningfully inspect so heart in mouth until I got home. Nothing seen so far albeit it needs a wash as enclosed transport did not mean clean. Apparently the train is where the dirt happens, as I'm told.

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So, the allroad has had to be banished to outside after the last 5 years in the garage.

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A browse has so far not found any issues from the transport, fingers crossed. There are a few things to do and a few things noted. Someone in the past has spent a pile on this car with the Wagners and exhaust plus some alloy DV's that stood out today. Have to say that everywhere is amazingly clean. The engine bay is like new in all the out of the way places, no bugs in the radiator etc. The engine bay is a lot more open than the RS4, with vents straight into the bay from the wheel wells. You'd thing that that would throw in a pile of water, mud and "stuff" from the roads, but not.

The journey begins. Just need to find out where it starts.
 
now that's a garage to envy!
Sunny data here in Sydney, hopefully for you too so you can get it out and inspect it in decent light.
 
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Sunny data here in Sydney, hopefully for you too so you can get it out and inspect it in decent light.

Intermittently cloudy and sunny but blowing a gale. Enough for the bins up the street to get blown over. It should ease later today.

The grass is always greener........... a pair of near on 20 year old cars that have more parts nla by the day, the 6 is economical in the inverse sense at a time when fuel is heading up. Absolutely fun to own but never forget that guy who spent $64,000 on his. It'll never be me but always smart to remember that speed cost money, how fast do YOU want to go?
 
Intermittently cloudy and sunny but blowing a gale. Enough for the bins up the street to get blown over. It should ease later today.

The grass is always greener........... a pair of near on 20 year old cars that have more parts nla by the day, the 6 is economical in the inverse sense at a time when fuel is heading up. Absolutely fun to own but never forget that guy who spent $64,000 on his. It'll never be me but always smart to remember that speed cost money, how fast do YOU want to go?

I reckon 500chp is where the line is. That's circa 4 sec 0 to 100 plenty fast for street cruising and SMT's. Beyond that it appears to be a love hate relationship between time on / off road and what's that noise / leak. and inverse hyperbolic curve on funds invested vs hip pocket return. Smart money is buy one all done st stock pricing and hopefully it comes with a bunch of factory parts. Good buyIng sir.
 
Agreed. I need some time with this to get my head around what it offers before any changes made, if at all. This has all the essential parts fitted but no transmission upgrade done and that was a known on purchase. Came with the usual box of receipts, a cam timing bar and crank lock, workshop manual etc.

Another interesting find is there is a knob cast into the front suspension upright that can rip the side out of your tyre if you choose the wrong one. Now have to read up threads on the right tyres.
 
Nice, congrats you will love it. I use MICHELIN PILOT SUPER SPORT 255/35/19, 3rd set now.
 
Nice, congrats you will love it. I use MICHELIN PILOT SUPER SPORT 255/35/19, 3rd set now.


Thanks, right now I'm only a stones throw away from you but heading home very soon. Good news about the tyres. The list of tyres that don't fit / work seems huge so always delighted to hear of those that do. I'll be due a set next year once I've changed the suspension. Order placed but there is a delay as always so unlikely to turn up until January.
 
Taking a long shot here, does anyone recognise these DV's? Just removed them from the RS6 and they are un-branded, nothing anywhere to indicate where they originate. Only the piston is a little different from the generic design, otherwise they are just a vanilla DV.

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Briefly, after buying a car in the top 5-10%, there was still work to do. 16 years old so this is reality. Fair to say the PO was fastidious but equally they sometimes look right over some issues that jump out at a new person. The interior is as new, exterior very good with the normal paint marks from a non show car. Wheels reasonable but had been chipped in places. Certainly not the kerbing you see but done and touched up badly. I'd say that the body work met the description on the day so no complaints.

Mechanically, the usual. The older RS cars seem to attract dodgy mechanics. Stuff you won't find until you start stripping stuff down so not seen during an inspection. You can buy a bog standard Audi and it might be absolutely complete, not a bracket or part missing anywhere. Same age RS and there will be stuff. Strangely, money didn't generally seem to be an issue, quality parts used etc but some consumable parts were left to the death rattle, or maybe I'm fussy.

So to date, the following were needed to get through rego or to provide peace of mind at the start. A not insignificant sum to find just to get mobile.

Bilstein Dampers
Front bump stops
front upper control arms
Tyres Michelin PS4s
Air Box grommets x 4
Battery

Philips DRL (fog lights removed to fit Wagners)

Air Filters (replace BMC with paper)

Bosch MAFs

Apikol MAF seals
Cabin filter
Dashcam adhesive pads,12 V sockets (refitting the dash cam)

Replace Diverter valves


These were just non essential to round off the car.


Shevron Dash Mat (gauge mounting accessory to keep the car standard without damage)

P3 Gauge
Nylon boost hose & fittings

SwissVax cleaner

GPS unit
h/light protectors
A few parts from UK

Spark Plugs

Already, it's obvious that the lower control arms will need replacing shortly. Decided to wait a few months and lessen the sticker shock. Most of the running gear has about half the life of my RS4, I'd say. The excess weight over the nose destroys the front suspension well inside 100,000 KM. Brakes etc as well. That and access are the two long term issues that drive up costs. Apparently the car has had a second auto transmission fitted some years ago so that's the last of the traditional issues taken care of in the short term at least.

Regrets, none, it's a great car. Basically, as people are still interested in them, the info here might help anyone looking at an example. I've seen some real dogs and can't imagine what it would cost to get them back on the boil. I could have driven this (with new tyres) for ages before it absolutely needed to have some stuff fixed. Then again, with the sort of car that might encourage brisk driving, it would not have been a controllable missile.

The longer you own one, the more you learn. This will probably go on for ages so almost impossible to list all the little bits that arise.



 
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